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Maybe your town water is high… Filtering water is the only way to remove EC from it

I use RO water to get my PPM start to 0 then I add my Cal/mag…

This maybe 1 more problem for you… Does your town water use Chlorine or Chloramine?? You need to find out

Chlorine and Chloramine will kill your living soil (kill all the bacteria and fungus) This is really bad…

Solution for Chlorine is bubble your water for 24 hours in a cool dark place with the lid of… It will gas off the Chlorine…

Chloramine I never had to deal with but you can get I think it’s like fish tank drops to remove it (not 100% sure)… Gas off doesn’t work…

If you want to stay organic growing this need to be address ASAP…

Also make some your PH down is organic not phosphoric acid (that will kill your soil also)

Every time you buy something you must confirm it’s organic that is why I told you make sure it’s OMRI Listed then you know it’s good…

I will repeat keep the soil alive you should be fine… Kill the soil and you will run into problems

Hope all this helps


From my cities latest water report:
Long Beach Water Department achieves primary
disinfection with free chlorine and utilizes chloramine as a
secondary disinfectant in the distribution system. We carefully
monitor the amount of disinfectant, adding the lowest
quantity of chloramine necessary to protect the safety of your
water throughout the distribution system. However, chlorine
and chloramine can react with naturally-occurring materials in
the water to form disinfection by- products (DBPs).


Atlas Scientific ph Up/Down products are organic.

All this is super helpful. Without your pointers, I’d be heading into these problems blindly. Very much appreciated! I gotta admit tho, going through these problems is upping my skills rather than just reading about them. It’s a pain but you all know the saying. No pain, no gain!

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It’s ok we all have been there. I wasn’t going to say this but what the hell. I just hate being so negative honestly overall your plants are nice just I truly believe your trying to hard. More isn’t better and more doesn’t make this better. Now remember close to the beginning I told you I felt the feed the high N could be a problem. Well the more I read about your grow and I see the pictures I see different things also now. Not 100% sure picture is kind of far away. But looks like the start of Nitrogen toxicity also.

Looks for dark leaves. Curling and start of tip burn. Let me know your thoughts



You should improve your water source or synthetic is always an option also

Sounds like you like reading. Get this book it’s great. Best book that I know of for Organic’s. Just make sure it’s second edition


Well I’m glad I’m seeing all of this witch makes me think :thinking: I should check the ph an ec from my house :house: water :droplet: cause if it’s out of whack I’m going to need to find a source for the water :droplet::+1:t2::dash::seedling:


@Choppo0816 Find out if your town water is Chlorine and Chloramine.

Chlorine is easy problem to address

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Here is some info on the topic of water

Water Sources and Filtering Options

Both water sources and filtering of your water are very important considerations when TLO growing,
and a whole bunch of people already growing organically could likely get a huge boost in quality and
yields if they were aware of just how important this whole subject is. City tap or municipal water is
the biggest potential problem when growing with a living soil mix. Filtering this type of water is
actually fairly simple, and I will share my favorite sources for water filtration. My favorite brand for
this in the USA is called Pure Water Products. More about them and their filters later, but for now
suffice it to say that your water source is a huge deal when growing TLO or any organic style. If you
use well, spring, or tap/city water, then you really want to filter it for a number of reasons

City, well, and spring water all have some potentially bad things in common. Often they are
“hard,” which means they contain a lot of dissolved magnesium and calcium. This type of water will
accumulate salts (magnesium, calcium, et al) around the root zones (rhizosphere) altering the pH
drastically, and making the area inhospitable to some of the key microbeasties. It seems to me to
really mess with the mycorrhizal fungus, so things like phosphorus tend to lock out in the soil mix.
Another big downside is the seasonally changing ratios of various dissolved mineral salts, along with
who knows what else from local plumbing. Every once in a while, spring or well water will be
perfect for your style, growing all organically, because of low ratios of dissolved salts, and a nice
balance of them as well. City tap water has huge problems, including all those that spring and well
water have.

City/municipal water these days is almost always disinfected with a compound called
chloramine—which is, simply stated, a very stable form of chlorine that you cannot simply bubble
or even boil out of the water. This is hazardous to your soil mix in a huge way! Activated carbon
filtering is the way to deal with this issue, and carbon filtering will also remove many other potential
nasties from your city water, like fluoride. Fluoride interferes with over 30 natural plant processes,
and can definitely mess up germination rates. Reverse osmosis filters always have a carbon stage or
two to them as well, just so you know.


It’s all good, man. I am not sensitive and whether positive, negative, or neutral. It all falls in the same category for me, “feedback”. lol I def. am trying hard as this is my first real soil grow but, this level of effort will work wonders for me on the next grow.
As far as too much N goes, after reviewing the link, I am only experiencing one of all the symptoms called out which is the claw. I did some inspecting this morning and I don’t really see much besides the claw. I read diff. strains can react a little diff. to N toxicity as well. I am going to cut back on the grow nutrient for sure. I’m currently feeding at the bags recommended dosage and I’ve been reading that tends to be a bit much. Here are some photos from this morning right before the haircut. Let me know what you think:

Ice Cream Cake - This is the greenest of the bunch. In reading about N toxicity mentioning dark green leaves however, this entire plant has been dark green IMO its whole life. I do see a little clawing on a couple of leaves but very minimal:

Frosted Biscotti - The calcium deficient plant. LOTS of clawing all over this plant but the growth rate is coming along:

Rainbow Belts 2.0 - A little claw on a couple leaves here. A few of the very edge of the tips are light green, not many.

Flap Jacks - Got some claws on this gal too.


Water source:

This should fix the problem! What do you think:

Whole house options as well :thinking::


At this point I would find a new water source and add Cal/mag to a EC of 0.2 to 0.3…

stop add everything else… You can still use recharge 1 time a week besides that I’m thinking you have enough food in the pots for weeks…

Remember you been feeding weekly so I’m not shocked Ice Cream Cake has been dark green it’s whole life / the other plants.

Overall your plants are not in bad shape just no more feed…

I think the machine you posted would work but I think it’s just to small… It would be a job to keep making the water to support how much you need… The whole house system maybe just over kill but would work… On the whole house system if you have copper lines you can’t use it… RO water and copper doesn’t mix well together…

This is what I use you need a drain for waste water and uses garden hose hookup for water in

Then I have a 50 gallon tank to hold my fresh water… I set the system up on a float to fill the tank


So my Roots Organics CALMAG arrived yesterday but, it leaked during shipping and was not sealed shut:

I ordered from Hefty Harvest on Amazon. They responded to me stating I can either return for a full refund or use and get a 25% refund. @Mpower11 Would you use this or return it?
Under normal circumstances I would just return it however, I am in dire need of this stuff and really don’t want to sway away from the brand I’ve selected for this grow. Also, this stuff is not in stores anywhere near me. I’ve been calling hydro stores as far as 25 miles away.
So, my options are to just use what I got or return and wait for another to arrive.


If you want to use that brand I think you have to use it no choice because the plants need it


I have used that before. Be careful it gives range dosing per gal. I only used the bare minimum because it drives ec up so high. I actually swapped back to the powdered version of it. Much easier to control ec with it when dosing.


You use the elemental?

How do you apply it?


For dosing if it was me I wouldn’t care to much about how much the label says to use.

In my case I start of with 0.0 Ec then add Cal/mag to 0.2

In your case I would go 0.3

I have no first hand experience with this product. My statement is just how I would dose all Cal/mag products


No kidding. This stuff raises ec through the roof and my ec is already high to begin with.


Did you get the de-ionization addon kit for your stealthRO system?

Been doing a lot of reading lately and I’m going with the less is more approach. I am only watering with good ph’d water atm.


I’m in Flint Michigan. I have to buy ALL my water. I’m thinking about collecting it but I need to clean my gutter’s and get 3 blue plastic barrels and this design I have will keep it from getting stag. But it will always be moving and if I have to much it will overflow into my floor drain… Will be done bye next summer.
Anyways I’m almost done with the Growroom getting clip’s for y’all… TTYL ALL


No I didn’t buy that add on

Hope your adding cal/mag also



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