thanks fot that post @Vicc, exactly what i will do now.
with a raspi and some sensors the whole dashboard and notifications should be done for about $200 and based on that setup environmental control of the surrounding room should also be possible for another $200.
its even the more powerful solution because its possible to compare the grobo-values from a wireshark output with the the second probes to check if something is going wrong on one of the two sides.
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@Vicc I agree!! I got a blue lab Guardian snaked through the back. Got my ec and ph reading whenever I walk to the Grobo. Even if Grobo gave u data … there isn’t much u can do since they won’t allow u to dose your own nutrients. I honeslty can not see what data they would give besides ph, ec. I’m not even sure if they installed a temperature gauge for the top and the water Rez…I just finished my grow and the two things i use from the Grobo system is drain/fill and the fans installed LOL. The recipes I would recommend to everyone - use a generic. All specific recipes are either too short or too long and would need user input either way. Grobo data worthless … gotta gather your own at this point if u really want to control the Grobo.
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I put my nutrients in my fill bucket
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I dose my own nutes (as well) regularly on top of grobo auto dosing, which makes data much more important and the sole reason why I got my own probes. I can add my own vitamin supplements, pk, microbes, co2, additional light without too much risk of red-lining her. Also getting my probes and analyzing my data lead me to trust the grobo’s technology.
But with this data, I can see beginner growers destroying their grow if they do not know what they are doing and just blindly following a feed chart they found online so data exposure can be risky depending who the audience is.
Growing takes a lot of practice, patience, experience and being attentive to your plants behavior, the automation the grobo offer does make it much easier for your average person to get stated with growing, like myself. I feel that many of us start feeling confident with growing inside the grobo due to its simplicity that we tend to want more in order to take our grow to the next level (or correct any deficiencies they are experiencing which can be observed visually by looking at your plant), I do not think the grobo was intended to scale based on the user’s skill or desire. Its like a catch 22.
What many users (not just grobo users but take Tesla users for example, their automation stages are categories A1-A5, A1 is considered entry level automation and A5 is fully automated. I believe they are currently at the A2 stage) misunderstand about the grobo and the word “automation” is that there are many different levels to automation. I know because I am an software QA Automation Engineer, I write automated bots to test software and video games for work. The word automation does not mean the unit is fully automated, it means that certain functions of the unit has automated features such as dosing, grow schedule based on recipe, lighting (spectrum wave lengths, intensity and schedule), ph balancing, and considering its a DWC, feeding is also considered automated.
This does not mean the entire grobo grow experience is automated, there are many factors to growing that still requires human intervention (even with automated commercial grow operations, they require human interventions on a daily basis and have to operate 365 days a year), like keeping the environment temps, RH (can be automated with home thermostat), reservoir solution temps (can be automated with additional water chiller), microbe health, training, and plant clean up duties, coco pod moisture monitoring, co2 monitoring to ensure co2 ppm are consistently 400ppm and above.
I do feel that the grobo team did appropriately label their product since it was not indicated that this is a fully automated grow box.
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I am also confused why this late in the development cycle of the Grobo software and hardware, that we still cannot get access to our data. It may be confusing for new growers, but @bjorn there has been a steady request from users such as myself for access to the data.
I understand protecting your proprietary systems, it is after all one of the reasons why your company is the last one standing. Seedo - bankrupt, Cloudponics - Development stopped to focus on other projects, just to name a few.
I don’t see a reason why the API for our specific data cannot be added to the app.
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How about if you have grown 3 plants from start to finish you have the options of 
the info?
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So no data coming right? Anyone want to buy a grobo???
So if we have a possible issue on the weekend, and don’t have access to a pH or EC meter we have to wait until Monday to have someone from Grobo look into the sensor data? Sorry @bjorn but that is the exact stance that #1 kills plants, #2 causes customers to seek alternative ways to grow. I know that we all are starting to sound like broken records, but having access to this data is crucial for a successful grow, and as I stated earlier having no one to review tickets on the weekends just makes this argument invalid.
Someone mentioned that one of the reasons was because the API was proprietary. I can see why you would want to protect that, but you use Blue Labs sensors, and that is not proprietary. If I was motivated enough to dig through the root I would work on a way to bypass the API and possibly set up a Raspberry Pi to have access.
I really think it is absurd that this data still isn’t available. If your help desk was staffed 24/7 then maybe I could see the justification for this. I would think that there would be an automated alert system in place to alert your staff when a customers Grobo pumps an entire bottle of pH up or down so they can alert the customer that they may need to run a health check on their pH probe.
Currently the system does not make growing easy.
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I’m on the other side of the fence!
Without both views represented there is no conversation, so dont shoot the messenger!
Hope its not a problem with those who need data to grow in a grobo!
Ive been growing in the grobo since 2019 with no data!
I have also been helping other growers as a Champion for a year!
I have never needed data to grow successfully!
I keep hearing people say that’s the only way to grow in the grobo successfully! And some have went as far as saying All or Everybody in full caps!
I see more people over do, miss diagnose, stress out, & kill their own grows by not being honest!
This is not a debate just my account of experience!
I could only imagine what would happen to grows with more data, as I see this very thing happen when allgrowers get a new bunch of people who start reading everybodies comments about how to grow and what to use, people won’t even grow one time without adding several things from everyone’s post, trying to have the best grow before even understanding how to grow or use the grobo!
I think its perfectly ok with a company who wants to keep there codes to themselves, because it doesn’t stop the grobo from working and they haven’t abandoned anyone!
To be honest I dont want to have to worry about all that stuff which is why I stopped using my hygrometer, ph pen,etc… a long time ago, it wasn’t until I tried my hand at tent growing that I appreciated the simplicity of the grobo!
I also look forward to the updates that @bjorn mentioned & all the hard work @Stephen puts in with his videos but I’m still for simplicity even though I’m sure all the techs are gritting their teeth at me! Lol!
I like what @Vicc said: because I too agree that patience, practice, & experience can grow anything!
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"But with this data, I can see beginner growers destroying their grow if they do not know what they are doing and just blindly following a feed chart they found online so data exposure can be risky depending who the audience is.
Growing takes a lot of practice, patience, experience and being attentive to your plants behavior, the automation the grobo offer does make it much easier for your average person to get stated with growing, like myself. I feel that many of us start feeling confident with growing inside the grobo due to its simplicity that we tend to want more in order to take our grow to the next level (or correct any deficiencies they are experiencing which can be observed visually by looking at your plant), I do not think the grobo was intended to scale based on the user’s skill or desire. Its like a catch 22.
This does not mean the entire grobo grow experience is automated, there are many factors to growing that still requires human intervention (even with automated commercial grow operations, they require human interventions on a daily basis and have to operate 365 days a year), like keeping the environment temps, RH (can be automated with home thermostat), reservoir solution temps (can be automated with additional water chiller), microbe health, training, and plant clean up duties, coco pod moisture monitoring, co2 monitoring to ensure co2 ppm are consistently 400ppm and above."
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Im with barbara on her points.
My only add is
I would like to know what data points are being collected and why.
Whether i see them or not they should be disclosed
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This is one of the reasons I am half tempted to dig through the OS and see exactly what data is collected. Wonder if they have made this info available for the folks in the EU.
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I’ve spent over two grand USD on a Grobo instead of therapy—the grow box is supposed to be the therapy.
So, I absolutely want access to my data, and I refuse to pay DLC subscription online game add on prices for it. That’s classist as hell, and I’m sorry to see that someone dared to even suggest it.
This is causing is causing many folks to grow blind in order to make you see. Because, people can only beg so much for a thing to change.
Easy stops being “easy” when it becomes expensively exclusive.
And so, I’ve just dedicated my grow to the Grobo Data Transparency Movement.
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Not interested really here as I use the Grobo like intended. If I wanted to monitor things myself, add all kinds of other additives and devices, I would have a bought a complete $600-$800 grow kit and done it myself.
The entire point of Grobo is to let it do everything, I always thought. I would not have bought one if I have to babysit it non stop. Change the water weekly is about all I want to do.
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